CLpower

suppose to be out end of the month, anyone got any good info?

Dan Martin

(although it was kind of a threadjacking) https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...3&postcount=60

Nothing new is available yet. Everyone who does know is bound by NDA, so we're not going to hear anything until PMA in a couple weeks. It'll probably be a 10mp sensor if I had to guess.

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

Too. Many. Acronyms.

Can't. Understand. Post...


uuuurrrghghghg

Stapler

I think he said, canon doesnt think were cool enough to know yet.

My 300d needs a replacent though, I wonder if this will be around the pricepoint of the 20d.

Sarlacc

NDA = Non-Disclosure Agreement...I sign plenty for gigs.

proaudio22

Why do they have to make the battery grips look like they were designed for another camera or something? They just don't look like they mate up on the left side. The 10D and previous models flowed SOOOO smooth - I guess the 1D guys got pissed off because you couldn't tell the difference then between these and the 1D?

Handruin

The 35D will be for me what the 20D was to the 10D owners...(got all that)?

I have the battery grip on my 20D and I think it looks fine. It would be nicer if it looked seemless, but I don't really care. Having two batterys is pimp. I can't remember the last time I recharged.

Dan Martin

Sorry, I hate acronyms too. PMA is the Photo Marketing Association and their big conference is happening on Feb 26 to Mar 1. Most of this years new products will be announced there. Photokina is the next biggest one but it's not until the early fall.

The 35D is the replacement for the 20D and should be priced similarly. I also agree that the battery grip seems oddly out of place for this model. The 300D's grip is actually pretty nice:


I do use mine, but only in specific applications. I like it for autoshows where I'm taking 300+ pics in a day or when I'm using long glass because it balances better. Otherwise, it's nice having the ability to remove the grip and have a nice lightweight body.

If you want to read the latest rumors on the 35D, check out this thread: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/351016

Stapler

woah woah woah, where did you get a black 300d?

I thought North America Wasn't so privlaged. Mabee that was just when was in the market for one though.

Dan Martin

That actually isn't a shot of my camera, but mine is black too. They were available in canada as black or silver.

Proof :

srika

why does "35D" sound so good? it just has this, "ring" to it when you say it...

srika

I wonder why the US didn't get the black one?

Stapler

They knew that as a american, I was attracted to shiney things. It really doesn't go well with my black tipod though. It throws my whole outfit off.
It does appear that they started selling them in black, just that I got the early adopter's "sort stick" http://www.dpreview.com/news/0411/04...belblackus.asp

I'm just gonna get a can of black spray paint and a typr-r badge now that my warantee is up. Instant two megapixles of resolution and 30 picture buffer.

Billiam

Popular rumor has it that the NDA is supposed to come off the new goods on the 22nd. Am I the only one here that's going to be nerd enough to start looking at the Canon Japan and European photo sites on Tuesday for early info?

Dan Martin

I've been following this daily for the last month looking for updates.

So far there have been too many rumors to keep straight, but here's what I've gathered so far about the Canon DSLR lineup:

1DS RS: 18MP FF @ 5fps, cropped 8fps mode, pellicle mirror system just like the old 1N RT (no viewfinder blackout, nearly silent shooting), Digic III.

3D: 12MP FF @ 5FPS (thanks to Digic III), weather sealing, priced a few hundred above 5D

5D: Unchanged, but $300 price drop on the horizon

30D/35D: Replacement for 20D. 10MP APS-C sensor, 5fps, Picture Styles, 2.5" LCD, 9 point plus 3 hidden AF, Digic III

Rebel XT: Unchanged.

3000D: New sub-Rebel model based on old 300D (non-XT Rebel). Expected to be in the $600 range. It's intended to grab customers who would otherwise be looking for a prosumer P&S. Probably be 6.4MP, 2.5fps, 3 point AF, minimal other features.


Anyone want to place their bets what the real announcements will be?

My guess is that they'll announce the 3000D and 30D/35D along with a couple new lenses. I wouldn't expect the 1DS RS or 3D until Photokina at the earliest. The 5D price drop sounds like it's in the cards for sure though. There are strong hints that the lovely 17-40 f4L is being replaced by a 17-55 f4L IS to compliment the 24-105 f4L IS.

Billiam

As far as the market place goes, the 3D almost makes more sense than the 30/35D. At the moment the Nikon D2x is pretty much living by itself in the range of the "low end pro" niche.

Besides the cameras, I'm also interested to see if Canon is going to release a new large desktop photo ink jet. The respected i9900 disappeared from the lineup a few months ago.

Dan Martin

As much as I like my Canon i5000, the Epsons are much better. Matte black on the Epson is unrivaled at this point. Perhaps Canon will release something to compete, but I know where my money would go if I was buying a new machine today.

Billiam

I have to admit that I really haven't kept up on the printers. I'm really not in the market for one either, more curious than anything. Back about 18 months ago when I was last considering a printer the Epson's had two things going against them from the perspective of my needs. First, they were supposedly notorious for clogging if you didn't use them on a regular basis. Second, you had to send the entire printer back if the print head needed replacing.

At this point, I think the printers have started to parallel the cameras. Increases in resolution have become pretty much pointless. Improvements in printer output seem to be coming mostly from developments in ink and drivers just like improvements in image quality on the cameras are coming mostly from developments in the processing chipsets and their software.

Stapler

so is their new stratagy to put IS on every lense? Or a large percentage of them, I just thought it was odd having it on a 17-55, or that 18-85 non L.

Dan Martin

The resolution printers can pump out is mind-boggling and completely overkill for anything we could possibly need. They are quite capable of printing a 16mp image within a couple square inches. Since we're beyond the need for more resolution, most of the R&D dolars have gone into developing pigment-based inks. They have lead to vastly increased color gamut, extremely neutral monochromes, and great archival properties.

Don't worry about the print head clogging. Yes they can clog, but it's rare, and easily fixed by running a cleaning cycle (although you use quite a bit of ink). Print heads almost never need to be replaced. It's about the equivalent of needing to have your shutter replaced.

If money was no object, I'd have an Epson 4800 on my desk, but my bank account says the R2400 will have to do.

Dan Martin

The 24-105 f4L IS shows that it's very beneficial to have IS even on wide angle lenses. I imagine we'll see more of the L series with IS circuitry down the road. It's expensive, so I wouldn't expect it on the cheaper non-L line (EF-S excluded).

Stapler

http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/con...&modelid=10511 I was thinking of this lense, which is non L. though it should be noted, still quite expensive.

waTSX

Dan Martin

A lot of people have it and rave about it. I believe CLpower has one too.
Here's a couple reviews for you:
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/len...6_is/index.htm
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/R...ns-Review.aspx


It was definitely on my short list for lenses, but I chose the 17-40 because I know my next camera won't have an EF-S mount.

Billiam

I'm pretty sure CLpower just got this lens for Christmas. You should ask him how he likes it.

And $500+ is certainly a lot of money but it's not "expensive" in the world of lenses.

Grrr... Dan just beat me to it!

waTSX

The 17-85 is very nice. Capable of very good output, but not "L" quality by any stretch. At the time it came out, it was one of the few wide angle offerings available for 1.6 crop cams, and it offers a nice walk-around range.

Once you learn its limitations, it works very well. Light, too.

ChodTheWacko

Well, it's official, but it's called the 30D.

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/mul...id=7-7891-8214

There's a lot of little neat things. Nothing that would make you sell the 20D for though.
(reminds me of what I thought of the 10D when I had the D60)

Billiam

Well color me disappointed. I can't really complain though as you're getting a few more features over the 20D for a cheaper price. The true spot meter and fine ISO adjustments are nice. But I have to rant...

ISO is now the third exposure control in the world of digital. It should be visible in the viewfinder ALL THE TIME! Not just when you change the value. Almost everyone in the entire photo community agrees with this and Canon AGAIN DOESN'T LISTEN! I'll bet you that mirror lockup is still also burried in the menus.

I wonder if Sarlacc is reading this and snickering.

dom

Street Spirit

Okay Dom.....Minus you.

Dan Martin

This really should be called the 20Dn. The changes are nice to have, but really nothing fantastic. Not that there's anything really wrong with the 20D, I was just expecting more changes considering it's 1-1/2 years old. If they keep the 30D around for another 1-1/2 years, it will mean this sensor would have been on the market for 3 years.

Something tells me they will want to release something new before that time, or drop the 5D's price substantially to compete against the D200. The 5D can still be more expensive, just put it in the ballpark.

dom

I posted that before I realized everything had already been announced. So on me.

dom

I agree. Seems things haved slowed down.

Dan Martin

I'm also kind of surprised by the 85 1.2L mkII. It's good to hear that they made the AF faster, but the biggest problem with the lens IMO is the manual focus-by-wire system. It wasn't very precise before, and certainly not as quick as a conventional manual focus system. It's also funny that they kept the same cheesy 1990's focus switch. Regardless, the old 85 was a gem of a lens and I'm sure this will just be that much better.

The new EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS is a very cool lens. It's got a very fast aperture combined with IS. If you shoot indoors and have a 1.6 crop camera, this lens should be in your bag. The 18-55mm kit lens should be hand holdable down to 1/30th, but in the same light, this 17-55 would be able to hand hold down to somewhere around 1/2 second.

Dan Martin

That's actually a good thing for consumers.

I'm sure the megapixel wars will still rage on for a few more years, but I like that they're focusing on more camera functions rather than just "bigger numbers". 8mp is certainly adequate for 99% of the population, but if they need more, Canon has 2 other models that can help. I'm sure the cost of full frame sensors will continue to drop with time and we should see the 5D in the sub-$2000 category in a little over a year.

Billiam

FYI - The Rob Galbraith site has some additional detail beyond what I've seen elsewhere.

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/mul...id=7-7891-8214

Four observations/speculations:

1) A competitor to the Nikon D2x will be introduced. Something like the rumored 3D that Dan posted. This platform will be the one that introduces the next gen Digic, ETTL, and sensors or some cobination of those.

2) I really think they could have packed new/additional features into the camera for a slightly higher price. I would be willing to bet that a strong majority of the people that are willing to shell out US $1200 - $1300 would also shell out up to $1500 if they thought the camera was worth it.

3) If you apply my reasoning in #2, it makes you wonder if some component (or the production capacity for it) wasn't ready. Again I'm thinking Digic, ETTL, or sensor.

4) On the flip side, this upgrade seems logical as it's almost identical to the D60 -> 10D upgrade.

Overall, the thing I'm most miffed about is purely personal. The next lens I want is an EF-S. I was waiting to see if Canon was going to continue to commit to the APS sized sensors in the next genreation of Pro-sumer camera. Looks like I'll be waiting until Photokina.

Dan Martin

Just read this detail from Canon's website:
So it sounds like they did make some improvements to the sensor over the one found in the 20D. The 20D was already great for high-ISO work, so I can't wait to see what this thing can do. ISO 1600 will probably look like ISO 200 on my Rebel.

MotionEffects

The 30D was kind of a let down. Same 8.2 MP digic II cmos sensor. Not that 8.2 is not enough MP but for a "upgraded" from a 20D, shouldnt canon come out with something that will compete with Nikon D200? Granted the Digic II sensor has a higher IQ compare to the D200, but for the average consumer, they dont know that. All they want is the higher MP count. The Spot metering and the larger 2.5in display are a nice feature, but still no wireless flash like the D200? "Hello, CANON!!! Where are you in the photography market!?"

dom

Comfortably #1 in market share.

Maybe too comfortable.

MotionEffects

Yes!! Too comfortable. If they keep this up Nikon will catch up with their next product real quick.

Canon definitly lost some sale with the 30D. Obviously the 20D owners are not going to upgrade, 350D owners "where" interested, but find it needless to upgrade. New customer are not even going to look at the 30D b/c of what it has to offer compare to the Nikon D200.

Sounds right? maybe