Acura: TSX news **Wagon Announced for North America (page 57)**

[RyTyGuy]

Yea, I test drove both the TSX and TL this past weekend. Asked the Salesperson if there were any "packages" that came with the cars. Response, "No." Glad to know that the salesforce is well educated on the possibility that they could make some more money if they only knew what was going on.

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[RyTyGuy]

Originally Posted by marakbai

is deck lid the same thing as a lip spoiler?
I just called Acura about the A-Spec package and the parts guy said "uh, what's an A-Spec?"

Go figure

Yea, I test drove both the TSX and TL this past weekend. Asked the Salesperson if there were any "packages" that came with the cars. Response, "No." Glad to know that the salesforce is well educated on the possibility that they could make some more money if they only knew what was going on.

[Zapata]

It's what you'd pay for the aftermarket........what do you people expect???

[Sarlacc]

aftermarket but with a warranty.

but agreed too pricey in the end.

[Crazy Acura]

Originally Posted by Zapata

It's what you'd pay for the aftermarket........what do you people expect???

Bodykit with spoiler
Shocks/springs
17s with 215s

You telling me thats worth $4330?! ALSO thats NOT with install.

[Minch00]

Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout

Bodykit with spoiler
Shocks/springs
17s with 215s

You telling me thats worth $4330?! ALSO thats NOT with install.

Not worth it........but it IS already painted.

It's for people who don't know any better.

[Crazy Acura]

Im not trying to compare car prices, but lets compare options. For $4k option you get thise from bmw

* 235-horsepower engine
* More aggressively tuned sport suspension
* 8-way power front sport seats with 2-way manual headrests and thigh support; 3-driver memory for exterior mirror and seat positions; automatic tilt-down of passenger’s side-view mirror when vehicle is shifted into reverse gear
* Anthracite interior headliner
* Alcantara/cloth upholstery
* Aluminum "black cube" interior trim
* M 3-spoke Alcantara-wrapped multi-function sport steering wheel with fingertip cruise, audio and accessory phone* controls
* M Double Spoke (Styling 135M) alloy wheels, 18 x 8.0 front, 18 x 8.5 rear; 225/40R-18 front, 225/35R-18 rear performance tires**
* High-Gloss shadowline exterior trim
* Matte stainless steel, 35mm dual exhaust pipes
* White turn-signal indicators
* Aerodynamic package
* Tachometer with 300 rpm-higher redline and red needles
* Short, sport gearshift lever

all in one package and thats INSTALLED

[Crazy Acura]

And thats on a 40k car. Who in the right mind would drop 4k for an option on a 27k car?!

[Rod]

Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout

Who in the right mind would drop 4k for an option on a 27k car?!

I would...

...for a supercharger.

[LannyM]

How come if it changes the camber, Acura by default doesn't offer a kit to compensate?

Well, any time you lower a vehicle, the camber is going to change. Hopefully, there's enough adjustment left to compensate and bring the car back within spec. In the admittedly few installs I've seen of this kit, the techs have been in some cases able to get the car to -1.5, and in others to -1.7. The highest I've seen is -1.9. Since spec is -1.5 on the outer limit, you can see that most installs will be on the borderline or just out of spec.

My personal feeling is that a little negative camber in the rear is a good thing, and these numbers are not off enough to cause premature tire wear. Only time will tell if I am correct. Since I hate the stock tires, maybe I'm just hoping they'll wear quickly so I can justify replacing them .

[marakbai]

Originally Posted by marakbai

is deck lid the same thing as a lip spoiler?
I just called Acura about the A-Spec package and the parts guy said "uh, what's an A-Spec?"

Go figure

So? Am I correct in thinking it's the same thing as the M3 lip spoiler? Just OEM version?

[einsatz]

I've seen the kit on eBay for over 3k without the tires.
That's a ridiculous price. I see no reason to get it for something that's not going to give any performance gains.
And what's the deal with brakes? How can a package like this not come with upgraded brakes? Think TL A-spec with the brembos.

I'm disapointed. Not that I planned on getting it for my TSX in the first place anyway.

[heyitsme]

$4300 more for a TypeR tsx, sure. Can't see even bothering with the car at that price.

[STC]

Originally Posted by marakbai

is deck lid the same thing as a lip spoiler?
I just called Acura about the A-Spec package and the parts guy said "uh, what's an A-Spec?"

Go figure

So did I. I want the A-Spec suspension!

[ccarbajal08]

Is it me or does the A-SPEC kit look like the OEM kit? I can't tell the difference.

[xizor]

Originally Posted by ccarbajal08

Is it me or does the A-SPEC kit look like the OEM kit? I can't tell the difference.

yes, it is the OEM kit

[xizor]

Originally Posted by marakbai

So? Am I correct in thinking it's the same thing as the M3 lip spoiler? Just OEM version?

yes, its more or less like the M3 lip spoiler, same thing. would be factory painted however

[xizor]

Originally Posted by LannyM

As a side note, if you go to tirerack.com and punch in the TSX, and then list stock size tires that will fit, only the OEM tire comes up in the list. There's a note about the car needing to have an XL load rating. I called them up and asked about this, and they claim that for liability reasons, that can't sell other tires for the TSX. While I find this hard to beleive, that's what the guy said. I wonder if the fact that Acura is now shipping the Yokkie ES100s that the Tire Rack will sell these too?

Tirerack has some weird things in their system about the TSX, they don't know what sizes and offsets are right for the car. They don't show 18x7.5 as a size that fits, only 18x8, so I wouldn't listen to what they suggest

[ccarbajal08]

So theoretically, if you dropped it, bought the kit, it would be an A-SPEC aside from the wheels. But, can't you get those from the TL A-SPEC?

[cusdaddy]

Total ripoff... Honda/Acura's A-spec options are very overpriced and disappointing. They could at least have upped the hp slightly with some performance modifications

[chungkopi]

f#%kin ridiculous

[Minch00]

Originally Posted by Rod

I would...

...for a supercharger.

[LannyM]

So theoretically, if you dropped it, bought the kit, it would be an A-SPEC aside from the wheels. But, can't you get those from the TL A-SPEC?

Well, the wheels would bolt on, but the offset is not optimal. They stick out past the fenders a little too much for my taste.....

[Shawn S]

Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout

Im not trying to compare car prices, but lets compare options. For $4k option you get thise from bmw

* 235-horsepower engine
* More aggressively tuned sport suspension
* 8-way power front sport seats with 2-way manual headrests and thigh support; 3-driver memory for exterior mirror and seat positions; automatic tilt-down of passenger’s side-view mirror when vehicle is shifted into reverse gear
* Anthracite interior headliner
* Alcantara/cloth upholstery
* Aluminum "black cube" interior trim
* M 3-spoke Alcantara-wrapped multi-function sport steering wheel with fingertip cruise, audio and accessory phone* controls
* M Double Spoke (Styling 135M) alloy wheels, 18 x 8.0 front, 18 x 8.5 rear; 225/40R-18 front, 225/35R-18 rear performance tires**
* High-Gloss shadowline exterior trim
* Matte stainless steel, 35mm dual exhaust pipes
* White turn-signal indicators
* Aerodynamic package
* Tachometer with 300 rpm-higher redline and red needles
* Short, sport gearshift lever

all in one package and thats INSTALLED

A BWM deal….go figure.

[RyTyGuy]

Does anyone know off hand what the invoice of each part of the A-Spec package is? Someone on the TL site was able to break it down piece by piece, for invoice pricing. I would just like to know so I can use it as a negotiating too.

[Zapata]

Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout

Bodykit with spoiler
Shocks/springs
17s with 215s

You telling me thats worth $4330?! ALSO thats NOT with install.

Factory warranty, factory installed....you pay what you get for. Having over paid $$$$ premium for the AUDI drive adn the BMW you drove i thought you'd understand or does paying lots of money only count for cars with little to no perfomance count when it has a german badge on it.


not that i'd pay 4,330...........

[Crazy Acura]

After owning both, i still think the audi and bmw were worth their pricing. I really wouldnt consider audi being overpriced, its slow but comes with everything you can ask for and is soild, at 30k loaded it works for me. Oh and i will bet that my car can run laps around yours at a autox. So remember there is more than a straight line when taling about performance. Oh but you wouldnt know that since everything is based on 1/4 for you.

Also why would anyone care to have a warrenty on a Bodykit or wheels/tires?

[Crazy Acura]

Wow we are both crabby today

[Rod]

Originally Posted by Zapata

not that i'd pay 4,330

That's all you had to say.

I really do think the package is overpriced though for what you get, especially considering that installation is not included.

[Crazy Acura]

Originally Posted by Rod

That's all you had to say.

But its more fun bashing the cars i have/had

[heyitsme]

Originally Posted by Zapata

Factory warranty, factory installed....you pay what you get for. Having over paid $$$$ premium for the AUDI drive adn the BMW you drove i thought you'd understand or does paying lots of money only count for cars with little to no perfomance count when it has a german badge on it.


not that i'd pay 4,330...........

Its dealer installed, so you're paying a nice chunk to them. It should come from the factory as a mass produced item, lowers cost allround. As far as the german premium, thats the whole point, even BMW doesn't rip people off for the performance package.

[1SICKLEX]

Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout

Im not trying to compare car prices, but lets compare options. For $4k option you get thise from bmw

* 235-horsepower engine
* More aggressively tuned sport suspension
* 8-way power front sport seats with 2-way manual headrests and thigh support; 3-driver memory for exterior mirror and seat positions; automatic tilt-down of passenger’s side-view mirror when vehicle is shifted into reverse gear
* Anthracite interior headliner
* Alcantara/cloth upholstery
* Aluminum "black cube" interior trim
* M 3-spoke Alcantara-wrapped multi-function sport steering wheel with fingertip cruise, audio and accessory phone* controls
* M Double Spoke (Styling 135M) alloy wheels, 18 x 8.0 front, 18 x 8.5 rear; 225/40R-18 front, 225/35R-18 rear performance tires**
* High-Gloss shadowline exterior trim
* Matte stainless steel, 35mm dual exhaust pipes
* White turn-signal indicators
* Aerodynamic package
* Tachometer with 300 rpm-higher redline and red needles
* Short, sport gearshift lever

all in one package and thats INSTALLED

Honda is so damn stubborn its ridiculous. It's like the WRX, EVO, SRT-4 etc don't exist. Even Lexus focked up L-tuned. And Acura is offering the SAME CRAP they did. And L-tuned is no more.
How can you not learn from others mistakes, SO RECENT.=

[1SICKLEX]

That is the worst factory package in the history of packages. I thought Lexus L-tuned was sorry. This is worse. Goodness the wheels are the same size and no exhaust? Not even a different grill?
$5000 total probably with dealer install. People buy TSXs b/c they are cheaper than the competition. A 30k TSX?

[Zapata]

Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout

But its more fun bashing the cars i have/had

of course.....

[Zapata]

Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout

After owning both, i still think the audi and bmw were worth their pricing. I really wouldnt consider audi being overpriced, its slow but comes with everything you can ask for and is soild, at 30k loaded it works for me. Oh and i will bet that my car can run laps around yours at a autox. So remember there is more than a straight line when taling about performance. Oh but you wouldnt know that since everything is based on 1/4 for you.

Also why would anyone care to have a warrenty on a Bodykit or wheels/tires?

They are worth it because of the build quality and the factory support. Quality costs $. You HAVE to acknowledge that.


* muh car handles PRETTY well....i'd be willing to run ya for fun on a track course....or some hill/canyons

[Zapata]

Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout

Wow we are both crabby today

[CLASSYCLS]

well I am glad that they are making the rims in 17 X ?? a good subsitute for my stockers, but I am assuming that they will be charging alot of $$$$$$$............still considering the price for the entire package plus installation, it will cost you mid 30's for a new TSX A-SPec.........is it really worth it???????

[LiQiCE]

Acura is crazy imho with these expensive A-Spec packages. The A-Spec package on the RSX was ridiculous. It made the car cost close to $30k... all for visual or suspension upgrades.

Sheesh, the TL/CL Type S gave us 35 extra horsepower, a stiffer suspension, sport seats with perforated leather, 17" rims, all for what ... $2k? The Type S upgrade was a steal. The A-Spec package is Acura trying to steal their money back!

[SJ Silver Type-S]

Originally Posted by LiQiCE

Acura is crazy imho with these expensive A-Spec packages. The A-Spec package on the RSX was ridiculous. It made the car cost close to $30k... all for visual or suspension upgrades.

Sheesh, the TL/CL Type S gave us 35 extra horsepower, a stiffer suspension, sport seats with perforated leather, 17" rims, all for what ... $2k? The Type S upgrade was a steal. The A-Spec package is Acura trying to steal their money back!

ahh, very good point!

[cob3683]

IMO the car looks awesome with the package but for $30,000+.....it damn sure wont be a 4 banger. It looks great, with or without the package, but for $4,300, engine work needs to be done.