Acura: TSX news **Wagon Announced for North America (page 57)** - Page 6

Dan Martin · 08-12-2004, 2:35 PM

Funny because we've had the exact same conversation over at A-TSX.

Type S > A-Spec by a long shot. The only thing that is semi-decent from the A-Spec is the suspension kit that goes for about $700. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33590

We've all got our fingers crossed with the rumor of an IMA equipped TSX for 2006.

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**Crazy Acura** · 08-12-2004, 3:21 PM

Dan Martin · 08-12-2004, 3:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout

Ima?

http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/show...121#post196121

**gavriil** · 02-04-2005, 12:20 PM

Honda turbos coming? - - Source: THe Car Connection

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According to information posted to a popular Honda enthusiast Web site, honda-acura.net, the automaker plans to bring its first-ever turbocharged engine to the U.S. for model year 2006 or 2007. The 2.4-liter four would be fitted into either the Acura TSX or a new high-performance Civic model that would slot above the Si. The engine would be of a new design - not that of the 2.4 currently used in several U.S. products including the best-selling Accord - and would probably make about 240 hp. The next-generation Honda Civic Si will have either a 2.0-liter or 2.4-liter four, with standard horsepower boosted to around 200 hp in either form. Honda has already announced that it will offer a version of variable cylinder management system on a redesigned Pilot due this fall, and it will also offer a revamped engine lineup, including hybrid offerings, on Civic models, which will be all-new for '06.

**gavriil** · 02-04-2005, 12:21 PM

Although the article makes no mention of SHAWD, I am guessing if the TSX comes with a turbo engine, it will need AWD to cope with the added torque. Plus there have been pretty reliable rumors about SHAWD being applied to the TSX and other Acura models.

**gavriil** · 02-04-2005, 12:22 PM

Now I am wondering, if Turbo is on the way, where does IMA fit?

Dan Martin · 02-04-2005, 12:34 PM

I thought SH-AWD was too heavy to be added to the TSX? I think the engineer who designed it said that it would only be reserved for the bigger models like the TL and RL.

I'll still take a turbo TSX if one becomes available

TinkyWinky · 02-04-2005, 12:46 PM

If the HP gain from the turbo compensates for the added weight of the SH-AWD, I would gladly pay the extra $4000. Wonder if the trade-in value of my 04 TSX will take a hit?

**gavriil** · 02-04-2005, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Martin

I thought SH-AWD was too heavy to be added to the TSX? I think the engineer who designed it said that it would only be reserved for the bigger models like the TL and RL.

I'll still take a turbo TSX if one becomes available

Maybe the AWD system from the MDX then would do for the TSX.

ClutchPerformer · 02-04-2005, 12:52 PM

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According to information posted to a popular Honda enthusiast Web site, honda-acura.net, the automaker plans to bring its first-ever turbocharged engine to the U.S.....

Is that really a reliable source, though? That's like saying, "according to a popular Honda enthusiast website, AcuraZine.com, Honda will release a RWD V-8 full-size SUV". I'll believe it when Honduh says it.

**dom** · 02-04-2005, 12:55 PM

The TL would have to get AWD first IMO.

A Turbo 250HP TSX could still be FWD and handle the added Tq and HP just fine.

Dan Martin · 02-04-2005, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gavriil

Maybe the AWD system from the MDX then would do for the TSX.

The one for the CRV/RDX is most likely IMO.

**gavriil** · 02-04-2005, 1:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ClutchPerformer

Is that really a reliable source, though? That's like saying, "according to a popular Honda enthusiast website, AcuraZine.com, Honda will release a RWD V-8 full-size SUV". I'll believe it when Honduh says it.

I am betting that the reason they are referring to it that way is probably because TCC knows it's true but they cant report it (yet), so they call it on another source for now.

**gavriil** · 02-04-2005, 1:45 PM

I just dont understand if they want 240HP for the TSX, why dont they put the V6 from the US Spec Accord in there? Wont it fit? Is it an engine configuration limitation? Cos it cant be gas consumption in this case. I cant see the V6 burning a ton more gas than a turbo 2.4 four cyl.

Professor Gascan · 02-04-2005, 1:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gavriil

I am betting that the reason they are referring to it that way is probably because TCC knows it's true but they cant report it (yet), so they call it on another source for now.

That's always possible. I really wish Honda was more open with their future plans. Heck, they don't even tell their dealers anything. Oh well, where's the real Oracle on this when you need him?

Dan Martin · 02-04-2005, 1:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gavriil

I just dont understand if they want 240HP for the TSX, why dont they put the V6 from the US Spec Accord in there? Wont it fit? Is it an engine configuration limitation? Cos it cant be gas consumption in this case. I cant see the V6 burning a ton more gas than a turbo 2.4 four cyl.

The TSX engine bay is just as snug as an RSX so there's really no way they could cram a V6 in there. Well, at least none that thy currently have in their lineup...

**CGTSX2004** · 02-04-2005, 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by gavriil

I just dont understand if they want 240HP for the TSX, why dont they put the V6 from the US Spec Accord in there? Wont it fit? Is it an engine configuration limitation? Cos it cant be gas consumption in this case. I cant see the V6 burning a ton more gas than a turbo 2.4 four cyl.

The turbo I4 should, theoretically, burn less fuel if you keep it off the boost during regular daily driving. Crank it into the boost and fuel will disappear...

As for the V6, it does NOT fit. It's too wide. Unless the next generation TSX gets a stretch in the frame, don't expect to see a V6. Also, the added weight of the V6 would further add weight to the front of the car, messing up the weight balance further. Turbo is a great way to add the power without sacrificing much weight.

**srika** · 02-04-2005, 2:05 PM

a Honda Turbo from the factory!??!?! GTFO... that would be sweet.

goldmemberer · 02-04-2005, 2:36 PM

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Originally Posted by srika

a Honda Turbo from the factory!??!?! GTFO... that would be sweet.

Can't even being to imagine how nice that would be. Can you imagine a factory Turbo J32 (hello Allmotor and BlueCLS6) TL with SH-AWD?

It would compete with the E55 AMG (or atleast get close to it, >400hp). For $30k less, assuming AWD + Turbo will cost 15k, which is generous by any standard. Can you fucking imagine that? It would do wonders for Acura's image, too.

AND it would be my next car, hands down.

Zapata · 02-04-2005, 2:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gavriil

Maybe the AWD system from the MDX then would do for the TSX.

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. SHAWD or bust

also...if this is confirmed.....lo....guess i'll be getting another car

**srika** · 02-04-2005, 2:57 PM

isn't it surprising that Honda has never done a turbo from the factory??? I mean, why? Like pretty much every other car company has done something with turbos...

turbos =

**srika** · 02-04-2005, 2:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapata

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

emperuman · 02-04-2005, 3:39 PM

There is no way the TSX is gonna get a SH-AWD with I4-Turbo. Acura has already said that SH-AWD needs a V6 configuration. The TSX would probably get the AWD from the CRV.

As long as the TSX comes in two configurations... base with 200HP, as it currently is, and then the TypeS/A-Spec version with 240HP/AWD/Turbo, I think Acura has it covered. If u want more HP than that, go buy a TL. Another opinion I would venture is that when the TSX gets an AWD, I would bet so would the TL.

Just my .02

**srika** · 02-04-2005, 4:02 PM

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Originally Posted by emperuman

There is no way the TSX is gonna get a SH-AWD with I4-Turbo. Acura has already said that SH-AWD needs a V6 configuration. The TSX would probably get the AWD from the CRV.

As long as the TSX comes in two configurations... base with 200HP, as it currently is, and then the TypeS/A-Spec version with 240HP/AWD/Turbo, I think Acura has it covered. If u want more HP than that, go buy a TL. Another opinion I would venture is that when the TSX gets an AWD, I would bet so would the TL.

Just my .02

the EVO and STi will never come to America, either...

heyitsme · 02-04-2005, 4:05 PM

I can imagine the opposite discussion from Hondas office "the tsx doesn't need more power or awd until its redesign because the car is selling great"

emperuman · 02-04-2005, 4:11 PM

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Originally Posted by srika

the EVO and STi will never come to America, either...

There again, we arent talking about bada$$ cars here. As Acura would say, its luxury, precision and performance

titan · 02-04-2005, 4:23 PM

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Originally Posted by goldmemberer

Can't even being to imagine how nice that would be. Can you imagine a factory Turbo J32 (hello Allmotor and BlueCLS6) TL with SH-AWD?

It would compete with the E55 AMG (or atleast get close to it, >400hp). For $30k less, assuming AWD + Turbo will cost 15k, which is generous by any standard. Can you fucking imagine that? It would do wonders for Acura's image, too.

AND it would be my next car, hands down.

Naawww, a Turbo TL with AWD would more readily compete with the M3, S4 and C55; the E55's a whole step up. Still, such a car would be a great competiton for those cars, and would surely be thousands less.

It'd also beat Infiniti and Lexus to that rarified air...

**srika** · 02-04-2005, 4:23 PM

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Originally Posted by emperuman

There again, we arent talking about bada$$ cars here. As Acura would say, its luxury, precision and performance

the only thing I was saying is, anything is possible. you said there is "no way" a TSX Turbo will happen, I'm saying yes, it could happen. Anything can happen. Nobody ever thought the EVO would come to the USA... was just a ricer's fantasy for many many years.

Zapata · 02-04-2005, 4:29 PM

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Originally Posted by heyitsme

I can imagine the opposite discussion from Hondas office "the tsx doesn't need more power or awd until its redesign because the car is selling great"

yea but acura can't just stop at what it'd doing now. They need to up the game because all other manufacturers are doing it. Marketplace is so faced paced right now. AWD or RWD is a must to finally get over the hump in comparos against BMW, Audi, Lex, Infiniti.

Atleast i hope so!!

DownUnder · 02-04-2005, 4:32 PM

A turbo Honda production car? I'll believe it when I see it.

**dom** · 02-04-2005, 4:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapata

yea but acura can't just stop at what it'd doing now. They need to up the game because all other manufacturers are doing it. Marketplace is so faced paced right now. AWD or RWD is a must to finally get over the hump in comparos against BMW, Audi, Lex, Infiniti.

Atleast i hope so!!

The TSX has done quite well in comparo's as is

Zapata · 02-04-2005, 4:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DownUnder

A turbo Honda car? I'll believe it when I see it.

Zapata · 02-04-2005, 4:34 PM

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Originally Posted by domn

The TSX has done quite well in comparo's as is

yup!!!!!! It'd be quicker than the audi and the merc230 and 325xi......can we say class leader?????

DownUnder · 02-04-2005, 4:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapata

I rephrased it.

**dom** · 02-04-2005, 4:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapata

yup!!!!!! It'd be quicker than the audi and the merc230 and 325xi......can we say class leader?????

Its already quicker than the Audi and Merc 4 cylinders, but I see your point. IMO a 250HP even FWD TSX would be unbelievable.

Zapata · 02-04-2005, 5:04 PM

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Originally Posted by domn

Its already quicker than the Audi and Merc 4 cylinders, but I see your point. IMO a 250HP even FWD TSX would be unbelievable.

agreed. But the auto industry snobs still don't give it the respect it deserves. Also, 250hp would really require the addition of HLSD.....and all those whining about Trq steer. SHAWD would transform this car into something very special.....s4 territory.

ClutchPerformer · 02-04-2005, 5:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapata

agreed. But the auto industry snobs still don't give it the respect it deserves....

I don't know. Even C&D who HATE fwd cars give it a 10 Best both years it's been eligible.

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....SHAWD would transform this car into something very special.....s4 territory.

Previous-gen S4, maybe... sweet car nonetheless. I hope it happens, but knowing Honda.....

Zapata · 02-04-2005, 5:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ClutchPerformer

I don't know. Even C&D who HATE fwd cars give it a 10 Best both years it's been eligible.
Previous-gen S4, maybe... sweet car nonetheless. I hope it happens, but knowing Honda.....

Yes def....finally. Still though....I want Acura to put the 3 series in its place

heyitsme · 02-04-2005, 5:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapata

yea but acura can't just stop at what it'd doing now. They need to up the game because all other manufacturers are doing it. Marketplace is so faced paced right now. AWD or RWD is a must to finally get over the hump in comparos against BMW, Audi, Lex, Infiniti.

Atleast i hope so!!

I don't really agree. The germans will never match what acura has done for the price and no other companies look to have anything that would be released in the under 30k luxury sedan market anytime soon, the car will remain at the top till its refresh imo. Also, if anything I'm sure acura has proved to itself they don't need awd to sell cars, tl sales are leading the pack and I'd think thats more important to them than leading in the magazines.

Zapata · 02-04-2005, 5:53 PM

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Originally Posted by heyitsme

I don't really agree. The germans will never match what acura has done for the price and no other companies look to have anything that would be released in the under 30k luxury sedan market anytime soon, the car will remain at the top till its refresh imo. Also, if anything I'm sure acura has proved to itself they don't need awd to sell cars, tl sales are leading the pack and I'd think thats more important to them than leading in the magazines.

agreed.....but industry acceptence doesn't hurt......aaaaaand it's wishful thinking as an performance enthusiast

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